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		<title>Hell, Satan &amp; Desi</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the past number of months I have been revisiting a few more of those Christian certainties of mine. Namely hell &#38; Satan. As my friends have heard me state often &#8220;I am losing my religion&#8221; &#38; it is showing no signs of letting up. I recently told a friend that I am sure of [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=justifish.wordpress.com&amp;blog=234778&amp;post=10&amp;subd=justifish&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the past number of months I have been revisiting a few more of those Christian certainties of mine. Namely hell &amp; Satan. As my friends have heard me state often &#8220;I am losing my religion&#8221; &amp; it is showing no signs of letting up. I recently told a friend that I am sure of very little any more, but what I am sure of is that I don&#8217;t believe what I used to be so sure of. The comment was made in regards to hell &amp; &#8220;everlasting torment&#8221;. I just don&#8217;t know if I can do that any more. I now look at it from the perspective of how far of a leap does one have to take in order to move from the God of love we Christians attempt to convince people of to a God who demands eternal torment justified by &#8220;justice&#8221;. Our answers have been more to the tune of &#8220;that&#8217;s just what the Bible says&#8221; or &#8220;as humans we cannot fully understand the justice of God&#8221; or have you ever found yourself using something along the lines of &#8220;as a non-Christian it is something that you probable won&#8217;t understand&#8221;.</p>
<p>I honestly think that somewhere along the way we got it terribly wrong. I recently read Revelations 14:10 which says:</p>
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<blockquote><p><em>The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.</em></p></blockquote>
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<p>So here we have this picture of Jesus &amp; the angels watching the proceedings of &#8220;eternal punishment&#8221;. I wonder if they prefer this with popcorn or maybe with just a glass of wine like <a target="_blank" href="http://www.jeremyduncan.ca/lent">Jeremy</a> does. I make light of a serious issue, yet if we have been able to make the leap mentioned above I don&#8217;t think that the leap to having Jesus getting a sense of enjoyment from watching his justice at work is nearly as far. How then do we reconcile this with his desire &#8220;that none should perish&#8221;?</p>
<p>I recently commented on another blog about this sort of idea, you can check it out <a target="_blank" href="http://rjperalta.wordpress.com/2007/02/13/everlasting-punishment">here</a>. As I said earlier I&#8217;m just not so sure anymore.</p>
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		<title>Wasp Killers</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I hate wasps. A lot of people ask my why &#38; my answer is usually the same. As far as I can remember we were convinced that a mouse was living in the perfectly round hole in that pile of old grass clippings. It was weird how when we stirred it with sticks waiting [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=justifish.wordpress.com&amp;blog=234778&amp;post=9&amp;subd=justifish&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I hate wasps. A lot of people ask my why &amp; my answer is usually the same. As far as I can remember we were convinced that a mouse was living in the perfectly round hole in that pile of old grass clippings. It was weird how when we stirred it with sticks waiting for that mouse&#8230;.wasps came out of that hole first. A lot of wasps, a lot of angry wasps, angry I think that we had disturbed that mouse hole&#8230; Well needless to say, my little brother &amp; I got punished&#8230; We had stings &amp; bites everywhere. He had one inside of his mouth. I got it in the armpit &amp; crotch. We got it bad. We each had at least 20-25 stings &amp; bites. The worst part was that because wasps are filthy dirty useless little creatures (part of the fall I&#8217;m sure) the areas that we got bit got infected with impetigo (was going to put a link but photos can get unsightly) &amp; had to go on antibiotics. Anyway, as I was saying, before getting caught up with the mouse story&#8230;I hate wasps. I will go out of my way to swat, spray, drown, etc a wasp. Which means that i have been stung a lot for a good cause. In the summer, on my job sites I will even put up a scoreboard for the crew to keep a tally of wasps killed to see who got the most.</p>
<p>Anyway, I saw this animal show a while back about these giant hornets in Japan. They are like 2-3 inches long &amp; can be deadly. I thought to my self, &#8220;that is not cool&#8221;. I wondered what I would do in a situation faced by one of them. It has bothered me so much that I still search the internet to find a safe way to kill them if I ever find myself in a wooded area of Japan that may have a really big mouse hole in a pile of old grass clippings&#8230;Well you get the idea. Yesterday I stumbled across an awesome video proving to me that nature itself is on my side when it comes to wasps. This is a great day &amp; will be one of my fondest memories.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1012_051012_hornet_video.html">Wasp Killers</a></p>
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		<title>Dispensationalism, Part One</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, it’s official, my parents are dispensationalists. It’s not that they looked at all, or any, of the available options &#38; said “in some way this makes sense to me”. It happened when they made the decision to become Christians &#38; the person who assisted in the procedure was also a dispensationalist, who had been [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=justifish.wordpress.com&amp;blog=234778&amp;post=8&amp;subd=justifish&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, it’s official, my parents are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism" target="_blank">dispensationalists</a>. It’s not that they looked at all, or any, of the available options &amp; said “in some way this makes sense to me”. It happened when they made the decision to become Christians &amp; the person who assisted in the procedure was also a dispensationalist, who had been to the same dispensation teaching <a href="http://usa.ntm.org/train/ntbi.php?io=2" target="_blank">Bible college </a>that my parents then decided to got to. The thing that has been on my mind, that prompted this post, is that i realized, unbenounced to me, that I was also a dispensationalist. It’s not that I looked at all, or any, of the available options &amp; said “in some way this makes sense to me”. It happened when I made the decision to become a Christian &amp; the people who assisted me with the procedure were also dispensationalists, who had been to the same dispensation teaching Bible college that I then decided to go to.<br />
Now, this post could easily go in a number of directions, such as, people who simply adopt the faith of their parents, how much responsibility do I have in “knowing” my faith before I am qualified to share it?…etc. But that’s not what has been on my mind concerning this.<br />
Lately I have been questioning a lot of the faith that I have been brought up with. I led a Bible study series a few months ago on the authority of scripture. A lot of the information came from a book called <a href="http://www.ntwrightpage.com/" target="_blank">“The Last Word”by N. T. Wright</a>, there was one part that really caught my attention,</p>
<blockquote><p>“This kind of problem, though, is endemic in many disciplines, &amp; we ought to be grown-up enough to cope with it. Slogans &amp; cliches are often shorthand ways of making more complex statements. In Christian theology, such phrases regularly act as “portable stories”-that is, ways of packing up longer narratives about God, Jesus, the church &amp; the world, folding them away into convenient suitcases, &amp; then carrying them about with us…. Shorthand, in other words, are useful in the same way that suitcases are. They enable us to pick up lots of complicated things &amp; carry them around all together. But we should never forget that the point of doing so, like the point of carrying belongings in a suitcase, is that what has been packed away can then be unpacked &amp; put to use in the new location…It is time to unpack our shorthand doctrines, to lay them out &amp; inspect them. Long years in a suitcase may have made some of the content go moldy. They will benefit from some fresh air, &amp; perhaps a hot iron.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Culturally Conditioned Scripture</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At our last Bible study we were looking at the authority of scripture. We looked at the different ways that people have approached &#38; studied scripture in the past &#38; I presented a way for us to approach it today. A fair bit of my study was based on an N.T. Wright book named &#34;The [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=justifish.wordpress.com&amp;blog=234778&amp;post=6&amp;subd=justifish&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At our last Bible study we were looking at the authority of scripture. We looked at the different ways that people have approached &amp; studied scripture in the past &amp; I presented a way for us to approach it today. A fair bit of my study was based on an <a href="http://www.ntwrightpage.com/" target="_blank">N.T. Wright</a> book named <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060816090/104-9123582-3872762?v=glance&amp;n=283155" target="_blank">&quot;The Last Word&quot; subtitled &quot;Beyond the Bible wars to a new understanding of the authority of scripture&quot;</a>. There was one paragraph that really jumped out to me &amp; continues to bounce around in my head that I would love to share with you.</p>
<blockquote><p>We must be committed to a totally contextual reading of scripture. Each word must be understood within its own verse, each verse within its own chapter, each chapter within its own book, &amp; each book within its own historical, cultural &amp; indeed canonical setting. All scripture is &quot;culturally conditioned&quot;. It is naive to pretend that some parts are not, &amp; can therefore be treated as in some sense &quot;primary&quot; or &quot;universal&quot;, while other parts are, &amp; can therefore safely be set aside. The doctrine of Jesus&#39; divinity is culturally conditioned: as Paul says, the incarnation happened &quot;when the time had fully come&quot; (Galatians 4:4), &amp; part of that fullness was precisely a culture that would resonate with the new events. The doctrine of justification by faith is culturally conditioned: only within a world already accustomed to notions of God&#39;s justice, of the Jewish law, &amp; of the promises to Abraham could such a thing have been conceived. We must read the Bible with as full &amp; clear an understanding of these contexts as we can.</p></blockquote>
<p>In the next study we are going to be looking at the &quot;Kingdom of God&quot; in light of the above. What was life like when Christ came to introduce a new way of living that made him describe it in the context that he did? What did &quot;kingdom&quot; mean to them? Why was it introduced the way that it was?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[About 10 years ago Calgary hosted a barbershop quartet competition. These guys were everywhere, dressed in striped shirts with suspenders, cool looking hats, shinny shoes &#38; baggy dress pants. I was riding the c-train home one afternoon from downtown &#38; there were a number of these singers on the train. One of the other passengers [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=justifish.wordpress.com&amp;blog=234778&amp;post=5&amp;subd=justifish&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 10 years ago Calgary hosted a barbershop quartet competition. These guys were everywhere, dressed in striped shirts with suspenders, cool looking hats, shinny shoes &amp; baggy dress pants. I was riding the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Train">c-train</a> home one afternoon from downtown &amp; there were a number of these singers on the train. One of the other passengers asked them if they would do a song for us &amp; they did. Then another group did a song &amp; then another, when one group would reach their stop 4 more guys would carry on. I passed my stop, knowingly, because I thought &quot;with this much fun going on in this here train it must be headed somewhere great&quot; &amp; it did because I just heard a barbershop quartet on the radio &amp; it took me back to one of my fondest memories.</p>
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		<title>Upper/Outer Room</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 23:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About a year &#38; a half ago I was an Alpha facilitator for my church. Our senior pastor was doing the teaching sessions (as opposed to the Nikki Gumbel tapes). During our Alpha retreat, at the beautiful Lake Louise, he told us that we (each table) were similar to a church &#38; told us to [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=justifish.wordpress.com&amp;blog=234778&amp;post=4&amp;subd=justifish&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About a year &amp; a half ago I was an <a href="http://www.alphacanada.org/" target="_blank">Alpha</a> facilitator for my church. Our senior pastor was doing the teaching sessions (as opposed to the Nikki Gumbel tapes). During our Alpha retreat, at the beautiful <a href="http://www.discoverlakelouise.com" target="_blank">Lake Louise</a>, he told us that we (each table) were similar to a church &amp; told us to name our church &amp; then let everybody else know why we had chosen that name. My group chose to name ourselves the &quot;Upper Room&quot;. I don&#39;t remember exactly why we named ourselves that, but I&#39;m sure the reason was a good one.</p>
<p>From that retreat a guys Bible study began. We started meeting weekly at <a href="http://www.brewstersbrewingco.com" target="_blank">Brewsters Pub </a>where those of us who enjoyed a smoke or cigar while studying the Bible could do so. During the summer we moved from the pub to my garage where we had couches, a fridge &amp; an ash tray. That was the beginning of the &quot;Outer Room&quot;.</p>
<p>When we started we decided to go through a discipleship course called &quot;<a href="http://www.navpress.com/Store/Product/1100.html" target="_blank">Design for Discipleship</a>&quot; put out by Navpress. It was a good way to start with the basics, as it went a little deeper than &quot;Alpha&quot;. I think that there are 8 books with 4-5 studies in each one. We made it to book 6. At that point we made the decision to stop the books &amp; head in a different direction for 2 reasons, the main being boredom &amp; the other being the desire to make our time together a little more personal. We began to take turns leading the study on things that were relevant to our daily lives or trying to answer questions that we had or taking advantage of your week to be the leader to slam somebody else&#39;s beliefs on a particular theology (protestant vs catholic, orthodoxy vs orthopraxy, humans vs animals, heaven vs kingdom, hell vs well&#8230;no hell, &quot;Left Behind&quot; vs anybody with a half way sensible opinion). Ah, those were good times.</p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago I asked the group about changing the direction once again for 2 reasons, the main being that a leader has to change things up once in a while because they can &amp; the second being that I wanted to be able to work on my teaching skills &amp; there were some guys, who for some reason, wanted to see what happens when a leader fudges his way through a study because he&#39;s married, has 2 kids, serves on too may committees at church, works full time, is a part of 2 Bible studies &amp; didn&#39;t have time to prepare.</p>
<p>Ya, real funny guys.</p>
<p>So, we had our first &quot;new &amp; improved?&quot; study last week. I think it went alright. I made a few changes in the format in an attempt to make it easier on myself. We meet every other week now instead of weekly &amp; I e-mail out homework, that&#39;s the best part. I find related articles &amp; send them to the guys to read in order to be able to add to the discussion. Everybody is sent different reading to do which allowed for the discussion to come from a few different angles &amp; view points.</p>
<p>Thinking that I had now saved myself a lot of work I decided to start with a 3 part series on &quot;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy" target="_blank">orthodoxy</a>&quot;. How do I talk myself into these things?(<a href="http://star.walagata.com/w/deznchris/2233206.jpg" target="_blank">Luckily I managed to shoot myself through the heel bone with a 3 1/4 spike &amp; earned a 3 1/2 week holiday.</a>) Through it all I&#39;ve learned some things about being a leader, the biggest one is that if you find yourself taking on too much &amp; start to fudge your way through things make exciting changes to lessen your work load even if you have to shoot yourself with a nail gun. I&#39;ve also decided to bring in a great <a href="http://www.thinkerlabs.ca/jeremyduncan/" target="_blank">guest speaker </a>which is both exciting &amp; makes less work for me.</p>
<p>The reason for this long post is ultimately to ask the question, do you have any more ideas on how I can keep this exciting while doing less work? Let me know what you think.</p>
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		<title>Christians who kill</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 20:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just reading this morning the ethicist &#38; pacifist theologian Stanley Hauerwas has a poster on his office door:&#8221;A Modest Proposal for Peace: Let the Christians of the World Agree That They Will Not Kill One Another&#8221; If accused of Christian-centeredness, he replies, &#8220;I agree that it would certainly be a good thing for [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=justifish.wordpress.com&amp;blog=234778&amp;post=3&amp;subd=justifish&amp;ref=&amp;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="commenttext">I was just reading this morning the ethicist &amp; pacifist theologian <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thinkerlabs.ca/jeremyduncan/www.divinity.duke.edu/portal_memberdata/shauerwas">Stanley Hauerwas</a> has a poster on his office door:&rdquo;A Modest Proposal for Peace: Let the Christians of the World Agree That They Will Not Kill One Another&rdquo; If accused of Christian-centeredness, he replies, &ldquo;I agree that it would certainly be a good thing for Christians to stop killing anyone, but you have to start somewhere.</p>
<p>Alan Jones in his book <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/0471457078/104-1338932-1226352">Re-imagining Christianity</a> says concerning this &ldquo;You do have to begin somewhere, &amp; promising not to kill each other isn&rsquo;t a bad place to start. Once we&rsquo;ve agreed to that, we might be liberated to look at some of our strange beliefs-beliefs that lead some of us to the conclusion that it&rsquo;s legitimate if not to kill then to condemn &amp; excommunicate others.&rdquo; He writes of a celebrated couplet by William Blake that sums up for him much that is disturbing about exclusionary versions of Christianity: &ldquo;That vision of Christ which thou dost see Is my vision&rsquo;s greatest enemy.&rdquo; Rowan Williams, archbishop of Canterbury, wrote, &ldquo;People who say to one another, &lsquo;if you think that, you shouldn&rsquo;t be here, &lsquo;are&hellip;.implicitly echoing Blake&rsquo;s horrifying couplet.&rdquo;</p>
<p>Old Testament teacher &amp; writer <a rel="nofollow" href="http://sunflower.com/%7Euman/">Walter Brueggemann</a> talks about Hebrew, the language that both Judaism &amp; Christianity depend on, &amp; how it is endlessly imprecise &amp; unclear. Because it lacks connecting words; &ldquo;it points &amp; opens &amp; suggests, but it does not conclude &amp; define.&rdquo; No one has the last word. Bruggemann says the language is &ldquo;a wondrous vehicle for what is suggested but hidden, what is filled with imprecision &amp; inference &amp; innuendo, a vehicle for contradiction, hyperbole, incongruency, disputation. Now the reason this may be important is that in a society of technological control &amp; precision, we are seduced into thinking that if we know the codes, we can pin all the meaning down, get all the mysteries right &amp; have our own way without surprise, without deception, without amazement, without gift, with miracle, without address, without absence, without anything that signals mystery or risk.&rdquo; Alan Jones writes, &ldquo;What Christians (&amp; to be fair, people in general) can&rsquo;t stand is not being able to pin things down. We resist having to negotiate what Bruggemann calls &lsquo;endless zones of contradiction&hellip;[and] endless layers of interpretation-no one of which can be ever more than provisional.&rdquo; The irony for literalists is that the Bible doesn&rsquo;t lend itself to literal, single-voice interpretation. There is always more to learn, another layer of meaning. To this many a Christian might respond &ldquo;no thank-you. This doesn&rsquo;t sound like true religion. It sounds like fuzziness, compromise, lack of faith. I want it to be absolutely clear.&rsquo; It&rsquo;s a short step from this to hating one another.&rdquo;</p>
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